Comments on: Open Mobile Space Growing http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/ Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:10:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Jolie http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-84164 Jolie Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:26:25 +0000 http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-84164 Wow , the battle looking for mobile content continues and of course there is more to come. One stop mobile shop I found really fun is t9space.com offers video ,social sites , and info : Wow , the battle looking for mobile content continues and of course there is more to come. One stop mobile shop I found really fun is t9space.com offers video ,social sites , and info :

]]> By: jon http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-56246 jon Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:06:10 +0000 http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-56246 Here, here Finite! Here, here Finite!

]]> By: Finite http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55982 Finite Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:39:17 +0000 http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55982 This strikes me as very bad news. Google's pandering appeasement to companies with histories of strong opposition to real openness is not good news for people waiting for an open phone platform. I suspect that what they have done is to simply redefine the term "open" to include phones on which the end-users cannot actually modify the software. Their biggest selling point for vendors is this one (from openhandsetalliance.com/android_faq.html): "If the Open Handset Alliance is giving it all away for free, how will the platform be differentiated?" "Because the Apache license does not have a copyleft clause, industry players can add proprietary functionality to their products based on Android without needing to contribute anything back to the platform. As the entire platform is open, companies can remove functionality if they choose. Applications are not set in stone, and differentiation is always possible. For example, if you want to include Hotmail instead of Gmail, it will not be an issue." Of course, copyleft-licensed projects like OpenMoko have always allowed vendors to remove functionality too; the big difference here is that Android sounds like a platform where users can (and will) be prevented from re-adding the removed functionality, and from adding [unlimited] other functionality of their own. At least, that is how it appears to me based on the information available so far. The iPhone will soon be "open" too, by that definition. I'm still looking forward to a truly free and open platform (like OpenMoko) which will allow USERS to modify their OS, and my existing distrust of Google skyrocketed after reading the news about Android. This strikes me as very bad news. Google’s pandering appeasement to companies with histories of strong opposition to real openness is not good news for people waiting for an open phone platform. I suspect that what they have done is to simply redefine the term “open” to include phones on which the end-users cannot actually modify the software. Their biggest selling point for vendors is this one (from openhandsetalliance.com/android_faq.html):

“If the Open Handset Alliance is giving it all away for free, how will the platform be differentiated?”

“Because the Apache license does not have a copyleft clause, industry players can add proprietary functionality to their products based on Android without needing to contribute anything back to the platform. As the entire platform is open, companies can remove functionality if they choose. Applications are not set in stone, and differentiation is always possible. For example, if you want to include Hotmail instead of Gmail, it will not be an issue.”

Of course, copyleft-licensed projects like OpenMoko have always allowed vendors to remove functionality too; the big difference here is that Android sounds like a platform where users can (and will) be prevented from re-adding the removed functionality, and from adding [unlimited] other functionality of their own. At least, that is how it appears to me based on the information available so far. The iPhone will soon be “open” too, by that definition.

I’m still looking forward to a truly free and open platform (like OpenMoko) which will allow USERS to modify their OS, and my existing distrust of Google skyrocketed after reading the news about Android.

]]> By: jon http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55947 jon Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:54:20 +0000 http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55947 I want an open-open company and not just a hybrid closed/open company! I want an open-open company and not just a hybrid closed/open company!

]]> By: jon http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55940 jon Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:34:20 +0000 http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55940 Whoa, that is impressive Karel, your faith in OpenMoko. At least getting involved in OpenMoko is good with a strong connection to the community. While google does good work, I fear that it is too large to have a 1:1 relationship with the community. This is important to keep in focus wrt to how openmok should scale and set itself apart from these other communities. Whoa, that is impressive Karel, your faith in OpenMoko. At least getting involved in OpenMoko is good with a strong connection to the community. While google does good work, I fear that it is too large to have a 1:1 relationship with the community. This is important to keep in focus wrt to how openmok should scale and set itself apart from these other communities.

]]> By: Karel http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55920 Karel Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:08:31 +0000 http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55920 OpenMoko was the first thing I thought about when I read the news about Android. I've followed the OpenMoko-project from a distance and have a great interest in it. I plan to buy a Neo1973 as soon as it is available for the mass audience. I still believe the OpenMoko-project could make a difference. And my trust in OpenMoko is bigger than my trust in Google. OpenMoko was the first thing I thought about when I read the news about Android. I’ve followed the OpenMoko-project from a distance and have a great interest in it. I plan to buy a Neo1973 as soon as it is available for the mass audience. I still believe the OpenMoko-project could make a difference. And my trust in OpenMoko is bigger than my trust in Google.

]]> By: noname http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55778 noname Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:30:44 +0000 http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55778 Google is evil! They look like they are friendly, but they only want to collect data and place advertisement. Nice at the front, ugly and bad at the backside. Goggle is even worse than Microsoft, cause MS doesn't pretend to be a friendly OpenSource company. I won't use Android, cause I don't want to support such a company, but I will buy the Neo1973. I hope it is possible to erase every Google out of OpenMoko (Google Search, Gmail... what ever) Google is evil! They look like they are friendly, but they only want to collect data and place advertisement. Nice at the front, ugly and bad at the backside. Goggle is even worse than Microsoft, cause MS doesn’t pretend to be a friendly OpenSource company. I won’t use Android, cause I don’t want to support such a company, but I will buy the Neo1973. I hope it is possible to erase every Google out of OpenMoko (Google Search, Gmail… what ever)

]]> By: akibo http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55716 akibo Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:24:09 +0000 http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55716 Well, the good one will survive. OpenMoko, Android, MOTOMAGX and so on. It's much fun in mobile phone now. :) Well, the good one will survive. OpenMoko, Android, MOTOMAGX and so on. It’s much fun in mobile phone now. :)

]]> By: Dan Williams’ blog » Blog Archive » T-Mo got no spec-trum http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55657 Dan Williams’ blog » Blog Archive » T-Mo got no spec-trum Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:59:28 +0000 http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55657 [...] Jon, T-Mo USA isn’t going to deploy HSPA in their 1900 MHz PCS spectrum because they are the most spectrum starved of all the national US carriers. They need their 1900 MHz blocks for regular voice calls. That’s why the spent $4 billion in the AWS auction last summer to buy up as much 1700MHz spectrum as they could. They are going to deploy HSPA in their 1700MHz spectrum. But first the government needs to move government agencies out of the 1700MHz spectrum, which is going slowly. So T-Mobile is between a rock (growing their subscriber base) and a hard place (government agencies that are slow to move out of the 1700MHz AWS band so that cellular companies can use the spectrum they bought). [...] [...] Jon, T-Mo USA isn’t going to deploy HSPA in their 1900 MHz PCS spectrum because they are the most spectrum starved of all the national US carriers. They need their 1900 MHz blocks for regular voice calls. That’s why the spent $4 billion in the AWS auction last summer to buy up as much 1700MHz spectrum as they could. They are going to deploy HSPA in their 1700MHz spectrum. But first the government needs to move government agencies out of the 1700MHz spectrum, which is going slowly. So T-Mobile is between a rock (growing their subscriber base) and a hard place (government agencies that are slow to move out of the 1700MHz AWS band so that cellular companies can use the spectrum they bought). [...]

]]> By: jon http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55569 jon Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:34:09 +0000 http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/#comment-55569 Yes, agree...But, I think longer term combining the two fields is going to be quite interesting. Yes, agree…But, I think longer term combining the two fields is going to be quite interesting.

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